In message ID <3rcugg$…@uni4nn.iaf.nl> on 6/10/95, Jan Nauta
<J.Na…@uni4nn.iaf.nl> wrote:
: Acupressure cannot make use of all the points that can be reached
: with a needle.
For which there is almost always no need at all. Needling is just one means to
the same end, and a rather high-tech one, which has allure to some. It is hard
to beat the laying on of hands.
–Paul || p_iann…@pop.com
–
moto auto site bill discount car rental england budget taxes .
In article <0039E723…@pop.com> p_iann…@pop.com (Paul Iannone) writes:
>In message ID <3rcugg$…@uni4nn.iaf.nl> on 6/10/95, Jan Nauta
><J.Na…@uni4nn.iaf.nl> wrote:
>: Acupressure cannot make use of all the points that can be reached
>: with a needle.
>For which there is almost always no need at all. Needling is just one means to
>the same end, and a rather high-tech one, which has allure to some. It is hard
>to beat the laying on of hands.
>–Paul || p_iann…@pop.com
Is this any way to talk about an age-old system of healing practiced by
billions of ETH’ers?
—
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein When you’re right 95% of the time,
gr…@island.com why quibble over the remaining 3% ?
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 5:49 pm
In message ID <3ribfa$…@pigeon.island.com> on 6/12/95, Robert Greenstein
<gr…@island.COM> wrote:
: In article <0039E723…@pop.com> p_iann…@pop.com (Paul Iannone) writes:
: >In message ID <3rcugg$…@uni4nn.iaf.nl> on 6/10/95, Jan Nauta
: ><J.Na…@uni4nn.iaf.nl> wrote:
: >
: >: Acupressure cannot make use of all the points that can be reached
: >: with a needle.
: >
: >For which there is almost always no need at all. Needling is just
: >one means to the same end, and a rather high-tech one, which has
: >allure to some. It is hard to beat the laying on of hands.
: >
: >–Paul || p_iann…@pop.com
:
: Is this any way to talk about an age-old system of healing practiced
: by billions of ETH’ers? —
: ********************************************************************
: ********* Robert Greenstein
Touch. However, the acupuncture recommended by Mr. Nauta is solidly on the side
of M.D. ‘scientific’ acupuncture–not what either of us would refer to as
‘age-old.’ He is an experimenter studying the ‘actual’ mechanism of acupuncture,
if I recall right–meaning that he is not traditional.
–Paul || p_iann…@pop.com
–
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 5:49 pm
Jan Nauta:
Acupressure cannot make use of all the points that can be reached
with a needle.
Doctor Iannone:
>For which there is almost always no need at all. Needling is just
>one means to the same end, and a rather high-tech one, which has
>allure to some. It is hard to beat the laying on of hands.
Oh, I see, Doctor…so sticking a needle into the body and pressing on
the outside of the skin are the same thing! HAHAHAHA. One must wonder
_why_ the acupuncture tradition continues then, since it is "just one"
way to do the same thing, after all. Your rationalization and denial
apparently are limitless, Paul. Do you really imagine that walking
across the country is the same thing as driving or flying (high-tech,
Doctor) just because they are varied "means to the same end?" Not
having an acupuncture license has led you to some pretty strange
‘places’ that you would believe that an acupuncturist chooses the needle
over the thumb _only_ because they can.
Robert Greenstein:
: Is this any way to talk about an age-old system of healing practiced
: by billions of ETH’ers? —
Doctor Iannone:
>Touch. However, the acupuncture recommended by Mr. Nauta is solidly
>on the side of M.D. ‘scientific’ acupuncture–not what either of us
>would refer to as ‘age-old.’ He is an experimenter studying the ‘actual’
>mechanism of acupuncture if I recall right–meaning that he is not
>traditional.
HAHAHA. Jan Nauta has only stated the obvious, Paul, as I’ve pointed out
above. Surely you realize that acupuncture "points" are not just ‘dots’
on the skin to be pushed like ‘buttons’ for effect. Likewise, channels
are not surface lines drawn on acu-dolls or charts, but travel deep and
internally to the Organ Functionalities they manifest. You can’t GET more
traditional than this understanding if we’re talking about acupuncture. To
pretend, as you have, like some lay pop-acupuncture fan, that poking and
prodding at these spots as if they were ‘power-pasties’ even *approximates*
the Access one gets with ‘through and through’ or ‘collective loci’
acupuncture, and at the same time refer to "Mr. Nauta" as being on "the side
of M.D. ‘scientific’ acupuncture" is about as ‘two-faced’ as I’ve ever
seen you, Paul. Get real, East-Asian-Man…a poke in da-eye wid a burning
stick is unpleasant donchaknow ;’)
JB.
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 5:50 pm
p_iann…@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:
>Touch. However, the acupuncture recommended by Mr. Nauta is solidly on the side
>of M.D. ‘scientific’ acupuncture–not what either of us would refer to as
>’age-old.’ He is an experimenter studying the ‘actual’ mechanism of acupuncture,
>if I recall right–meaning that he is not traditional.
>–Paul || p_iann…@pop.com
I never recommended ‘scientific acupuncture’. IMHO there is no
scientific acupuncture, because science (physiology) still can not
explain and translate traditional acupuncture techniques and theories.
Therefore I consider scientific acupuncture as quackery, although
being a physiologist I’m supposed to be ‘scientific.. This does not
imply that the use of electrical stimulation via the needle is
quackery. Unfortunately a lot of electrical stimulation is practiced
by ‘acupuncturists’ who cannot apply needles according to the
traditional rules, who do not pay attention to the ‘arrival of Qi’..
Groningen, the Netherlands
Comment by admin — October 31, 2009 @ 5:50 pm