Will the gentleman from Eugene who said he had mushrooms please email me?
Barbara is in Eugene and would like a start.
Thank you,
Nadine
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>There’s a rumor going around that the Canadian legislature is already
>looking at banning melatonin or already has. Unfortunately nobody
>really seems to know.
The Canadian Government has banned melatonin and also chromium picolinate.
It’s buried in some bill called C-7 which
>supposedly bans a lot of vitamins and supplements as part of the need of
>major drug manufacturers to have customers for their more expensive,
less
>effective products.
Not true. There is nothing in C-7 about melatonin. It was banned just
recently. I have a letter stating that its banned from the Canadian
HPB.
It is true that people need to work on HR 1951, and most have not. Most
health food stores don’t have form letters or any information about it
because NNFA is mindlessly opposing it. I have the list of phone and
fax numbers of the Board of Directors of the NNFA and will post it in
our website soon so that people can discuss the need for HR 1951 with
them. Two big things should wake them up:
1. The FDA will be coming out with their new rules under DSHEA before
January 1.
2. The Codex Alimentarious Commission is posing an enormous threat to
health freedom and we need to build an international coalition to
oppose it. I’m working on an article now about it which will be posted
in our web site as soon as I’m done. We need to get copies to the NNFA
Board in order to get them behind HR 1951 and also behind an
international grassroots coalition.
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Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
When L-Tryptophan was still available, I used it frequently to help me
sleep. Every time that I used it, I had a full night of extremely
bizarre, extremely vivid and very life-like dreams. I could remember
these dreams upon waking, which I was (and am) unable to do without
L-Tryptophan.
Interesting side effect.
-Adam
a…@advalue.com
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
Tryrosine had a similar effect on my dreams without the "bizarre"
element.
DN
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astanh…@aol.com (AStanhope) wrote:
>When L-Tryptophan was still available, I used it frequently to help me
>sleep. Every time that I used it, I had a full night of extremely
>bizarre, extremely vivid and very life-like dreams. I could remember
>these dreams upon waking, which I was (and am) unable to do without
>L-Tryptophan.
>Interesting side effect.
>-Adam
>a…@advalue.com
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
p…@xs4all.nl (Pierre Gielen) wrote:
There must be a better way to find some rest
>without getting on Melatonin (I don’t need a depression).
>Bye.
>—
>Pierre Gielen
>p…@xs4all.nl
Melatonin *alleviated* my depression enormously!
Why do you think it would cause depression -I had just the opposite
effect. Aso , know what you mean about tryptophan and length of sleep-
just means you needed it. If you take it every night for a week by day 3
o4 you’ll see it has almost no effect. If you’re not deficient in it, it
doesn’t do anything.
I *suspect* melatonin is the same way.
Della Noche
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
p…@xs4all.nl (Pierre Gielen) writes:
There must be a better way to find some rest
>What dosage did you take? I have tried L-Tryptophan this weekend but
>it makes me sleep longer than I want (more than 6 hours) and I didn’t
>remember any dreams. Yesterday I went to sleep on alcohol, had a more
>relaxing sleep but also a very realistic nightmare about someone
>trying to kill me
>without getting on Melatonin (I don’t need a depression).
The problem is probably that you are taking too high a dosage – when I
used to use tryptophan, I found that 500 mg was the maximum dose I would
take and 250 mg had noticeable effects. The effects of tryptophan are
accentuated by having a carbohydrate meal with the tryptophan which
speeds up its entry into the brain.
I’d advise trying dosages down to 125 mg to see if you happen to be
particularly sensitive – when I took 500 mg, sometimes I would be
stumbling around in the morning very spaced for half an hour whereas
people half my size would take 2000 mg with no effects.
Melatonin is quite effective, but again it is necessary to find the
minimal effective dosage that works. Now that the HPB, (in as much
wisdom as a group of politically appointed hacks can muster) has
prevented the sale of melatonin in Canada, I have to buy it in the US.
The only doseage I could find there was 3 mg/tablet and this is too much
for me with 1.5 or 0.75 mg being adequate. I find this a lot more
reliable than tryptophan.
Interestingly, it was the HPB that outlawed the sale of folic acid in any
dosage >1 mg to the general public. Anyone who has access to their ~1984
bulletin should read the dire warnings they published about why their
action was necessary to protect the public. It seems that the recent
work demonstrating dramatic decreases in spina-bifida and other neural
tube defects with peri-conceptual supplementation in women has escaped
their attention. It also seems to have escaped their attention that
homocysteinuria is a significant risk factor for atherosclerosis, and
there are millions of people in Canada that should likely be on doses of
folic acid far greater than the 400 micrograms they recommend; but then
whats a few thousand people dying each year of MI’s and peripheral
vascular disease when it will prevent perhaps a dozen deaths from
treatment of undiagnosed vit B12 deficiency. Somewhat like the BATF’s
refusal to add thiamine to distilled beverages to prevent Korsakoff’s
syndrome – that would be adulturation of the product!!!!
The only function of the HPB seems to be protect the financial health of
its employees and their drug company sponsors. I’m sure as soon as there
is a patentable derivative of folic acid which does the same thing, but
can be sold on prescription for 100X the price of folic acid, it will be
announced as the greatest breakthrough in the treatment of CAD since
tPA. Sorry for the cynical rant – some things just get me riled up.
Boris Gimbarzevsky
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
Doctors are now subscribing L-Tryptophan for depression, 2 capsules @ 500mg each.
Any comments?
Elaine
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
wayne…@oz.net (Wayne Radinsky) writes:
>Della Noche (dno…@mail.wco.com) says…
>>L-tryptophan is an amino enzyme present in (among other things) milk and
>>turkey. Remember everyone dozing off after Thanksgiving dinner? No,
>>it’s not cause those aunts, uncles, and grannies are so boring. They may
>>be, but it’s also the tryptophan at work. Check it out in a couple of
>>weeks from now!
>This has given turkey a reputation as being high in tryptophan. In fact
>turkey has just as much tryptophan as any other meat. So while a big
>thanksgiving dinner may make people sleepy (or may not, depending on what
>else they eat), chicken, beef, lamb, salmon, any other meat would work
>just as well, if eaten in the same quantity.
>Also, while milk does contain tryptophan (all animal proteins do), it is
>not tryptophan but two minerals, calcium and magnesium, that are considered
>to be responsible for milk’s spoprific effects.
Did anyone consider the natural soporific effect that eating lots of
_anything_ has? While tryptophan may cause you to get sleepy, don’t
forget that physiological changes occur when the stomach is full. The
body pumps more blood into the digestive system, stomach muscles and
glands are far more active… It’s only natural that everyone feels
sleepy after a big Thanksgiving meal. I’d say that would have more to do
with it than the tryptophan content in the turkey..
Ryan
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Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
On 8 Nov 1995 19:05:48 GMT, Della Noche <dno…@mail.wco.com> wrote:
>p…@xs4all.nl (Pierre Gielen) wrote:
>There must be a better way to find some rest
>>without getting on Melatonin (I don’t need a depression).
>Melatonin *alleviated* my depression enormously!
>Why do you think it would cause depression -I had just the opposite
>effect.
I read several messages in misc.health.alternative by people who got
depressed when on Melatonin. So no, thanks, I can’t use a depression
right now, I have too much to worry about as it is
>know what you mean about tryptophan and length of sleep-
>just means you needed it.
Normally, I sleep 6 hours a night, don’t *enjoy* getting up in the
morning but a few cups of coffee help. I still have a hard time
getting to sleep the next evening so sleeping longer is probably a bad
idea.
Bye.
—
Pierre Gielen
p…@xs4all.nl
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
On 9 Nov 1995 07:43:31 GMT, bor…@unixg.ubc.ca (Boris Gimbarzevsky)
wrote:
>The problem is probably that you are taking too high a dosage
>I’d advise trying dosages down to 125 mg
Really? Then I think I may have taken too low a dosage: 1 x 50 mg!
>Melatonin is quite effective, (…) I find this a lot more
>reliable than tryptophan.
Why do you find it more reliable? Weren’t the effects of tryptophan
consistent?
>Interestingly, it was the HPB that outlawed the sale of folic acid in any
>dosage >1 mg to the general public.
Unbelievable! Here in the Netherlands a government campaign started a
few weeks ago to promote the use of folic acid for pregnant women.
>The only function of the HPB seems to be protect the financial health of
>its employees and their drug company sponsors.
If health would be the issue, alcohol (and, of course, nicotine) would
have been banned completely, in stead of drugs that are less
addictive, safer to use and even beneficial. Alas, it seems that in
every country, drug policy is determined by money, fear of innovation,
and blind morality.
There is however, one thing I’d like to say: without pharmaceutical
companies, no new medicines will be developed in the first place. It’s
redundant organisations like the HPB or the FDA that cause the
trouble, because they feel they must justify their existence.
Bye.
—
Pierre Gielen
p…@xs4all.nl
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
p…@xs4all.nl (Pierre Gielen) wrote:
>On 9 Nov 1995 07:43:31 GMT, bor…@unixg.ubc.ca (Boris Gimbarzevsky)
>wrote:
>>Interestingly, it was the HPB that outlawed the sale of folic acid in any
>>dosage >1 mg to the general public.
Where do you get this information from and what exactly are or were the
restrictions? I have been injecting folic acid and B-12 for eight years
now and I live in Canada. The only reason my insurance company says it
won’t pay for it is because they maintain that it is available without
prescription.
>Unbelievable! Here in the Netherlands a government campaign started a
>few weeks ago to promote the use of folic acid for pregnant women.
It’s the same here. Doctors are advising women to take folic acid while
pregnant.
Regards, Elke
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Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
Regarding L-tryptophan, in response to:
>I’d advise trying dosages down to 125 mg
p…@xs4all.nl (Pierre Gielen) writes:
>Really? Then I think I may have taken too low a dosage: 1 x 50 mg!
This is a bit on the low side – still, if you are trying the combination
of a carbohydrate meal + L-tryptophan, it doesn’t take much (at least not
in my case).
>>Melatonin is quite effective, (…) I find this a lot more
>>reliable than tryptophan.
>Why do you find it more reliable? Weren’t the effects of tryptophan
>consistent?
With tryptophan, I found a large variability in dose required to put me
to sleep – there were times when 500 mg was too much, and other times
that I’d take 2 grams and still be awake. The problem I found with it is
that there is a dose related increase in bizarre dreams and morning
somnolence. If one has nothing urgent to do the next day, then this is
enjoyable, but usually I have to work.
Melatonin works in my case in 1.5 mg doseages without any significant
hangover the next day. It appears to put me to sleep more reliably than
low dose benzodiazepines in cases where I have to get to sleep before my
usual bedtime if I need to be up early the next day. I haven’t yet tried
it for jetlag, but will see if it works tomorrow (of course I’m only
going 2 time zones east, but this still requires adjusting my cycle).
I suspect melatonin effects are extremely individual – the only way to
find out if it works is to try it out to see if it assists in changing
timing of ones sleep-wake cycles. My discussions with a number of other
people have revealed that they also find melatonin usefull in this regard.
The only other option is to use a very short acting benzodiazepine such
as triazolam, but there is a small risk of up to 24 hours of retrograde
amnesia with these drugs. Again, this only appears to happen in some
people, but if I’m going to a conference, I don’t want to take the risk.
>>Interestingly, it was the HPB that outlawed the sale of folic acid in any
>>dosage >1 mg to the general public.
> Unbelievable! Here in the Netherlands a government campaign started a
> few weeks ago to promote the use of folic acid for pregnant women.
I think that in many ways the drug policy of the Netherlands is far
advanced compared to that of Canada. Despite what I would consider to be
overwhelming research, there has been no move on the part of the HPB to
reverse its policy. Not all physicians are yet aware of the link of
folic acid to neural tube defects, a matter which cold readily be
remedied by the HPB if they were truly interested in protecting health
rather than their bureaucratic decisionmaking process.
>There is however, one thing I’d like to say: without pharmaceutical
>companies, no new medicines will be developed in the first place. It’s
>redundant organisations like the HPB or the FDA that cause the
>trouble, because they feel they must justify their existence.
I agree totally – it is necessary for people to be aware, though, that
the primary function of a pharmaceutical company is to make a profit for
its shareholders. They do a very good job in this regard if one looks at
worldwide profits in the pharmaceutical industry. Their slant towards
patentable molecules significantly distorts research efforts. Again,
this is not a problem as long as one is aware of what is happening.
Institutions such as the FDA and HPB don’t appear to be aware of the
distortions in the view of the world caused by the interests of the
pharmaceutical companies. Their elimination would do much to alter the
balance, but it would also require a major paradigm shift in peoples
thinking wherein a person voluntarily taking a drug, not the drug
manufacturer would be responsible for any adverse effects they
experienced. This change in the legal system is necessary to allow
personal experimentation with new compounds such as melatonin.
Boris Gimbarzevsky
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
Princeton PRC (Elaine_Rushfo…@ccmail.bms.com) wrote:
: Doctors are now subscribing L-Tryptophan for depression, 2 capsules @ 500mg each.
: Any comments?
I thought I read somewhere that its effects could be dangerious? Can’t
remember where but check with a doctor on this one. Everybody look
for the magic formula, the fountain of youth, whatever, to fool themselves
that they are avoiding their biological fate. Incantations, anybody?
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
e…@epicure.lct.jussieu.fr (Earl EVLETH p 74208) wrote:
>Princeton PRC (Elaine_Rushfo…@ccmail.bms.com) wrote:
>: Doctors are now subscribing L-Tryptophan for depression, 2 capsules @ 500mg each.
>: Any comments?
>I thought I read somewhere that its effects could be dangerious?
What was dangerous were bad batches made by a company in Japan.
I thought it helped my depression in terms of helping me get *real*
sleep instead of that weird not-awake/not-asleep state that comes
with clinical depression.
Della
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
br…@nando.net (Don Brady) wrote:
Gee, I thought it only masked pernicious anemia in vegetarians.
Not true?
Della
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>The reason that larger doses of folic acid should not used
>by the general public is that they mask the symptoms of
>pernicious anemia. If the person has pernicious anemia,
>it may progress undetected to do permanent nerve damage
>if the person takes large doses of folic acid.
Comment by admin — February 27, 2010 @ 11:42 pm
"Della Noche" <dno…@mail.wco.com> wrote:
>Gee, I thought it only masked pernicious anemia in vegetarians.
>Not true?
Not true. Plonk.
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