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September 14, 2009

Bates therapy & lazer glasses

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f…@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kevin Haddock) wrote:
>I wonder if anyone has had any luck with those ‘lazer’ glasses
>with all the little pinholes cut in blackout lenses?  From the
>little I know about optics it would seem to make sense.  Basically
>I think what happens is the pinholes make any image focus regardless
>of what your lenses are doing so it allows the muscles to find
>thier ‘home’ (i.e. relaxed) position.  What happens after a while is
>your brain ‘remembers’ which way to go to correct the image by
>reinforcing a correctly focused image at the ‘home’ position instead
>of glasses which reinforce a correctly focused image at in incorrect
>position.

I am curious about these glasses too.  The optics is a mystery to me:
how can pinholes correct any kind of visual error?  
And if one assumes that focus will be achieved independent of the
muscular condition of the eye, I would argue that still, this is not
enough to guarantee that your eye muscles will find their relaxed
"home" position.  

In these terms, it is the goal of Bates therapy to help you learn the
habit of keeping your eye muscles in their (dynamically) relaxed
home position.  For those of us who have worn glasses for years, this is
no easy task to achieve!  Even in sleep (and for me personally I would
say moreso in sleep) your eye muscles are far from relaxed.  One of the
ideas behind "palming" (covering your eyes with the palms of your hands)
is to help block out all light which might help make it easier to relax.
So even if these pinhole glasses somehow allow clarity of vision, I
would find it hard to believe that they alone would cause the brain to
coordinate the muscles into a healthy relaxed condition.

This is not to say that I am not considering the possibility that these
glasses could be a useful tool in conjunction with relaxation techniques.
The major drawback for me in my work with Bates techniques is that the
wearing of glasses must be avoided (as they reinforce bad habits which
are most desperately trying to be unlearned), so much time is spent not
seeing clearly off in the distance.  Perhaps these pinhole glasses
could allow clarity while not reinforcing bad habits (?!)  This is an
interesting exciting possibility!

Could someone please send me some more info on these and/or where to
look for them?

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hu…@waterloo.hp.com (Chris Hudel) wrote:
>But seriously folks, don’t buy them ‘lazer’ glasses.  A good ophamalogist  
>friend of mine (I hope medical doctors can act as a source of concrete
>information, even in this forum!) told me that they just don’t work.  It’s
>true that your vision gets better _while you’re wearing the glasses_ but
>your eyes don’t "learn" to see correctly.  

This could be taken to support my notion that just because clarity of
vision is (somehow!) allowed by these glasses, your brain need not be
moving your eyes towards their "relaxed" healthy state.

>Which makes sense if you think about it since your Rx glasses makes your
>vision better _while you’re wearing the glasses_ but obviously not over
>long periods of time.              

And I would argue even more: that Rx glasses can reinforce bad visual
habits preventing a healed relaxed condition!

>Probably the muscle-thingy is a good theory but I really thought the majority
>of eye problems result from mishapings in the cornea.  I guess this is not so?

If you were referring to what I said in my previous post, I did not mean
to be making any kind of statement on behalf of medicine or the like.  But
the evidence I have seen leads me to agree with Dr. Bates about the
true cause of eye problems.  
For example,  there are cases of people with split personalities cited
by Dr. Bates who, while in one personality might be myopic—and medically
test so, then boom! in the other personality the same person seeing thru
the same physical eyes becomes hyperopic—and medically tests so!
This would be impossible if the cornea was permanently misshapen.
He is convinced, against the wisdom of current medical thinking, that the
muscles which surround the eyeball can fully control its shape and that
it is these muscles, and not the ciliary muscle (which pulls on the lens)
that are truly responsible for focusing.  (Evidence for this includes
patients who could focus up close who have had their lenses removed in
cataract surgery.)
I tend to wonder if both sets of muscles are not involved, but the point is
that there is much evidence to suggest that near or far-sighted folks do
not have permanently misshapen corneas.

And finally, my personal non-provable evidence: that I get clear flashes
of vision on a regular basis after having thought I was permanently
visually impaired has demonstrated to me beyond doubt that, at least, MY
cornea is not permanently misshapen.

I strongly encourage anyone interested to look into this stuff!  I feel
like it is a great scandal on the part of the optical community that we
do not hear more about it.

Good health to everyone!

Dave
(shree…@deadbeat.ece.orst.edu)

3 Comments »

  1. This Bates thing has been around for 50 years that I know about, and
    probably a lot longer than that.  Surely, if there was something to
    it, there should be lots of evidence by now.  If not, why not?

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    Ted Grusec – Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Ont., Canada

    Comment by admin — September 14, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

  2. shree…@ece.orst.edu (David Shreeve) writes:
    >And finally, my personal non-provable evidence: that I get clear flashes
    >of vision on a regular basis after having thought I was permanently
    >visually impaired has demonstrated to me beyond doubt that, at least, MY
    >cornea is not permanently misshapen.

    I had a similar experience about 10 years ago.  After wearing glasses/contact
    lenses for nearly 30 years to correct nearsightedness that required ~7 diopters or more correction, I was able to see clearly for extended periods of time.  
    I was able to drive without glasses/lenses on.  It was very exciting.  Then
    it went away and no matter what I tried, internally, which is what I had
    attributed this change to, I could not see without my glasses.  Much later I
    talked to a couple of eye-type professionals, who dismissed this as a patholog-
    igcal condition related to inflamation and swelling of my eyeballs, causing
    distortion of the eye and changing the focal length.

    Oh well….


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    Comment by admin — September 14, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

  3. >>In article <1992Dec23.201505.25…@dgbt.doc.ca>, t…@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes:

    Ted> This Bates thing has been around for 50 years that I know about, and
    Ted> probably a lot longer than that.  Surely, if there was something to
    Ted> it, there should be lots of evidence by now.  If not, why not?
    Ted> —
    Ted> —————————————————————–
    Ted> Ted Grusec – Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Ont., Canada

    In the book _20/20 Is Not Enough_ (1989) by Dr. Seiderman and Dr. Marcus,
    they say:

            "For some, "vision therapy" may call up the image of eye
    exercises, with the implication that it somehow strengthens our eys.
    The idea of excersise is misleading. (Today’s vision therapy should
    not be confused with the routines prescribed by the "Bates Method"
    that was popular several decades ago.)  The muscles of our eyes are
    anywhere from fifty to one hundred times as strong as they need to be
    to do the work we ask them: we need no vision push-ups."

    And:

            "A school of thought that did believe myopia could be cured
    was based on the theories of the American ophthalmologist William
    Bates.  In his 1918 book _Better Eyesight Without Glasses_, Bates
    prescribed a series of visual training exercises.  The Bates method
    was popularized by Aldous Huxley in his bestselling book _The Art of
    Seeing_.  The method enjoyed a vogue in the 1940′s, but most people
    found the training too long and tedious and the results too uncertain
    to stay with it.  Its validity was never scientifically established."

    So, the Bates thing has actually been around for better than 70 years,
    and if Seiderman and Marcus are to be believed, is based on
    strengthening of eye muscles rather than on refinement of the control
    of those muscles.  

    This book, by the way, does stress methods of vision therapy.  It
    gives 27 cases of patients who were aided in vision correction through
    therapy.  They also supply an 800 number for the "Binocular Vision
    Associates", who can provide names of eye doctors who offer vision
    therapy.. 1-800-245-2773.

    I have no experience with any of this, other than reading the book
    quite some time ago.  

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